Years ago, I got Edirol Virtual Sound Canvas with a copy of Band in a Box. VSC is really not a bad GM player, especially it has a 'Brushes' drum kit, that I sometimes would like to use.
On my old XP PC it installed as a DX plugin and works with Reaper. On the new Win 7 64 Bit PC, VST does not install. In the Internet there are several reports that the setup program of VSC does not work on a 64 bit OS. (Newer versions of Band in a Box come with a 64 Bit enabled GM DX plugin called 'Coyote' which seems to be a stripped down version of VSC and e.g.
Does not provide any drums at all. ) Now seemingly DX plugins need to be installed on that machine. Just providing the files does not seem to work: Reaper does not find the plugin. I found that there is a VST version of VSC. Such a VST might work with Reaper, as Reaper has a 64 Bit - 32 Bit VST bridge. But supposedly the installation will not work on 64 bit.
Did anybody succeed in running VST on 64 Bit? How did you install it? I have a file called 'VSC-VST(1.60)Updater' and the old DX-installation in a directory called 'Roland'. Even on the XP machine with VSC 3.23 installed, the VSC-VST installer says 'No Virtual sound Canvas installed'.Michael I used to have it on an old machine. When I bought a new PC I couldn't get it to install either.
A couple of years ago I downloaded and bought an old version of VSC 3.23 along with the updater so I could open up some old projects that contained it. When i went through the installation, I got the same message as you.
I eventually gave up which is kind of sad because it was my main midi gm source in earlier projects. I have a few ideas for you. I generally like the GM sound bank. If nothing else, it's useful if you just want to quickly audition a type 0 MIDI file from the internet. The price of their VSTi seems somewhat high to me, plus it probably has some sort of DRM. Buy a used Roland SC-55 or similar. If you have an Apple iPad, the Roland app for the device is excellent and about $20.
It does not run in my iPad 2, but does on a newer device. Google Yamaha S-YXG2006LE and download. You will find it on a web site from Japan. I think it is legit, but I can not read the language. It has an installer. It will work with Windows 10, 64-bit. I also have a Reaper reabank set for it in the stash or my website below.
Its called YamahaXGGeneric. The Yamaha sounds are a little brighter and I don't like most patches as well as the Roland, but they are ok. BTW: Once installed, you can freely move the.dll and sound files without another install. Absurd price - I paid way less than that for the last SD35 I bought!!! In fact the SC880VL I bought used was only 80 euros in France a couple of years back.
Greedy buggers. Most of that code will hearken back to the days of the original SC55, too. Decided I may try hooking up my hardware unit to the laptop to see if it works well enough for live. I will see if I can separate the TTS1 out from an old version of sonar - if that works all you need to do is pick up a used copy of sonar 3 onwards.
EDiROL Virtual Sound Canvas VSTi 1.60 Team: ASSiGN Date: 31 JANUARY 2010 Size: 6,96 MB Virtual Sound Canvas Multi Pack VSC-MP1: Virtual Sound Canvas allows you to take MIDI files and customize them to suite your taste. Use the Playback List function to store and retrieve your compositions. Export your finished files into popular multimedia applications as.WAV or.AIFF file formats. MIDI made easy. Features:.
Up to 128-voice polyphony, 16-part software synthesizer. 902 Instrument Sounds and 26 Drum Sets, compatible with GM2 and Roland GS. Stand-alone VSC-88 driver version.
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Well, folks, it is very simple task to link VST-plugin and MIDI-output of any program. You need a free program called MidiYoke. It gives you several virtual MIDI input and output devices. Every version of windows is supported, even Win 2016 Server TP4 2. After that you set the MIDI-output of your favorite program to 'Out To MIDI Yoke: 1'. You also need any of programs called 'VST Host'.
'VST Host' from Hermann Seib, for example. Or any other free utilities.
This kind of 'VST Host' programs can load VST-plugin and then you can set its input to 'In From MIDI Yoke: 1'. #329568 - 01/05/16 07:36 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows Re: Best Soft Synth? Expert Registered: 05/18/03 Posts: 1252 Loc: France. No MIDIYoke or LoopBe app needed you can use VSTi's directly in BIAB. But those apps are useful to have for different reasons and in complex config's.
BTW that New Roland VA comes with too many restrictions - you need to click on the buy button and then read the 'reminders' The old Roland sound canvas plugin/app was good but these days $125 is too pricy you can get Coyote Forte for a third that or buy Cakewalk Music Creator here and it comes with TTS-1 a Roland SC like plugin ( sound clone) a lot cheaper. And I am a Roland Fanboy. Roland Canvas don't work. According to the display, the tracks are well fed with MIDI data but, no sound get out. This new-year-2016 Roland Sound Canvas is silenced in a BIAB-VST mode.
The channel charts are moving up and down, but no sound cannot be heard. The MIDIyoke does a job though!
Thank you folks, for mentioning new ROLAND module!! Edited by glossum ( 01/05/16 09:44 AM) #329603 - 01/05/16 09:38 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows Re: Best Soft Synth? Veteran Registered: 06/04/00 Posts: 2104 Loc: New Mexico.
I use soft synths as well (Dimension Pro-Cakewalk) which has some excellent sounds), as well as several already mentioned that come with Sonar. But, to echo what JazzMammal said regarding hardware synths/keyboards, I use a first generation Yamaha Motif keyboard, as well as second generation Yamaha ES Motif Rack unit more than soft synths.
The advantage of hardware synths is much less overhead on the computer, and, I might add, pretty amazing sounds and replication of various instruments. While not quite as flexible as soft synths, most modern day (and even my hardware synths) can be updated with new sounds/patches, etc., as well as creating customized sounds. Whether playing the keyboard or using the rack synth with my synth enabled guitars, I can capture (mostly) what is played both audio and midi through the instruments and bring it right into notation. Richard #329621 - 01/05/16 11:10 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows Re: Best Soft Synth? Veteran Registered: 12/20/00 Posts: 10539 Loc: Pensacola, Florida.
Due to host application specifications, system exclusive messages cannot be sent from tracks to SOUND Canvas VA in the following hosts. Yeah but that's just normal CYA stuff. You know, 'Hey I just tried to play this wonderful midi file I downloaded from a free website and it sounds like crap, what gives?' When they talk about all those exceptions, it won't read this or that what they're saying is if you load in a midi file that was created say in Kontakt using non GM controllers to get the performance nuances those little nuances won't play correctly because this synth isn't Kontakt. Many users especially here have no clue about those sorts of things.
Many folks here simply want brain dead plug and play and once you get above the basic GM synths we've talked about, it doesn't work that way. The better synths require some tweaking from the user. The one thing I saw was the minimum computer requirements.
The CPU should be no problem for older systems but it says 4 gigs of ram. There are still quite a few users here running old XP systems with 2 gigs ram.
That apparently won't cut it. As far as the listing of compatible software, nobody ever lists Biab but Biab handles VST's just fine so it should work but that's why they have a free trial which I will try soon. Bob Edited by jazzmammal ( 01/05/16 11:50 AM). What John said. NOT trying to discourage, as matter of fact I just re-looked on the spec page and this just confirmed that THIS plugin is IDENTICAL (sound wise and part/poly wise) to my SC-8850 From Roland spec list: 'Number of parts 16 parts Maximum Polyphony 64 voices MIDI Format Conforms to GS, GM2, GM Sound Maps 4 types (SC-8820, SC-88Pro, SC-88, SC-55)' The SC-8820 and SC-8850 had same sound sets (analogous to how SD 80 and sd-90 have same sound sets) - (look here to see who supplied the SC-8850 patch map to PG.) Which makes it really good GM (GS/GM2) plug-in but sounds will be little dated. And PERFECT for BIAB and fast song generation for all non-real track parts! I USE my SC 8850, I also use my old Alesis Nanosynth but when serious 'endgame' is needed I use other rack gear or other plug-ins than SC, or TTS-1, or Forte, or even 'plug ins' like Dim Pro!
Edited by Larry Kehl ( 01/05/16 11:48 AM). Actually the biggest gotcha for ME would be this one (Sonar is my goto DAW) 'Due to host application specifications, you cannot use control changes to make correct bank selections and program changes in the following host application. Windows ・Cakewalk SONAR PLATINUM / Professional / Artist(32bit Edition / 64bit Edition) ' but I WILL DOWNLOAD AND TRY TRAIL in spite of all this. But will (probably) wait till price comes down for me to seriously consider buying (mainly since it's duplicative to what I already have in HW and other SW) but your report will be useful to others here - so please ignore my doom and gloom. Actually to beat this horse to death Looking at list of patches they are one for one identical to SC-8850. Sound maps use same banks with same names - ditto drum maps to an SC-8850. BTW it DOES sound IDENTICAL to the SC-8850, here is a youtube on this it shows some sounds/patches with VA and then again with SC-8850.
But if want a BETTER review of what it does well and not well (this is for 'iStuff' which I don’t own any of but same sounds/app) actually go to around 13 min if you like 'voices' and especially jazz scat (15:30+ min) the included SC-55 maps even include the CM-64 LA and CM 64 PCM sounds (which for gamers might come in handy - if you use the right VSTi.dll wrapper - TBD). So if it were cheaper I might buy it as a SW substitute to using/carrying my SC-8850 and cables. SIDE BAR: Since folks here that have a Ketron and swear by them for acoustic sounds - it would be nice if they had a Ketron plug-in counterpart to this one! Since we got off topic a little wonder why PG doesn’t pursue selling Ketron's SD-2's or one of the other Ketron variations here? Larry (I'm probably talking myself in to buying it after all).
Actually to beat this horse to death I don't think you're beating anything Larry, this is good info and it's great that you have the hardware version to compare to, I always heard good things about the 8850. I think the real question regarding cost, is this significantly better sounding than the Forte Dxi or TTS-1? Those two are $40 each, if this is that much better I think it's worth it because what's the next step up? Not $2-300, it's more like $4-500. The cool thing about having this as a plugin is the fast rendering of your song to audio. Software can render a song in 15-30 seconds while a hardware module has to be routed back to your computer using the audio ins and you record the playback in real time, there's no 'rendering' with a hardware synth.
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A six minute song takes six minutes to record to audio. Yes I was just about to comment But you NEED JBridge. As dumb as it sounds I cannot get the 32 bit trail version to work in BIAB (or even Powertracks) (more later once I figure it out - it seems to be a sample rate issue interfering with BIAB BUT I'm still investigating so don't quote me, it could be ANYTHING (including 'short between headsets') - remember it's a TRAIL version) The 64 bit trial VERSION DOES WORK (via JBbridge). As with adding any VSTi/DXi as default: 1. Click on the 'Plugins' button 2.
Click on the 'Realtime VST/DXi Plugin in settgins 3. Click on the 'default Synth' 4. At the top of the window that opens click on the TOP (first) slot and run scroll bar doe top bottom that says 'add VSTi plugin' 5. POINT to the 64 bit version of the Sound Canvas.dll if you installed the trial with defaults than it is at 'C: Program Files Roland Sound Canvas VA SOUND Canvas VA.dll' If you ALREADY added the 32 bit version (it has same name as 64 bit) you must FIRST delete it from the list in BIAB becasue the.dll's have the same name BIAB won't try and load the second version even though it's different (it's the 64 bit one) but BIAB sees the same name so it doesn't try to 'reload' it. You need to delete 32 bit one using the Options button in the VST plugins pull down window and you will see the remove VST button. NOTE the FIRST time you open the Sound Canvas window in BIAB the 'Parts' (or 'FX' or 'Options') portion of screen is cut off and you need send at least one instruments change to it then close BIAB and re-open to get the full Sound Canvas screen.
It is a BIAB display issue I will document it and send to PG support. I've had previous issues with large VSTi screens that BIAB wouldn't show whole 'window' for in the past.
The output VOLUME of this VSTi (even at MAX for each part) seems to be low. And the total mix needs to be adjusted to level it all. The 32 bit version of Sound Canvas VA works in 32 bit Mixcraft - but when I load a GM song ('Saturday in the Park') it sends the GM set to the Sound Canvas - it seems to ignore this - the parts play but are all the default Piano - also investigating that issue. However the same song in 32 it Reaper works as expected and compared to my external SC-8850 sounds identical (when levels are set the same) In 32 bit PowerTracks (2014) it loads up, has same display issue as BIAB (initially), and song sends all the right parts to the Sound Canvas VA VSTi but can't get any audio with - it causes no issues with running PowerTracks like it does in BIAB - just no audio. STILL investigating (call me a geek). I've read most of the responses here. I have to agree with some and disagree with others.
Coyote Forte is decent enough for an inexpensive GM soundset, but it is not 'great', IMO. TTS-1 is about the same as Coyote, IMO. Hardware CAN be better in a lot of cases, but it depends on the hardware. I do tend to use a Yamaha MOXF on a lot of sounds, but some of its sounds are not great, either.
I also use Kontakt on some things, and on some things I use some of the cakewalk softsynths; SI Strings, SI bass, Soundcenter, DimPro, Rapture. Mostly what the answer to this thread boils down to this: it's about what you can afford for your level of satisfaction with the sounds. If you can afford Kontakt and can hear a difference between it and Coyote, then get it! If you can afford a hardware synth and can hear a difference, get it! If you are satisfied with Coyote and don't want to spend any more money, then don't! Just my 2 cents.
Using Virtual Sound Canvas DXi Last updated on 3/31/2016 Still stuck listening to the same puny MIDI sounds from your soundcard but you don't have the money, need, or space for a bulky keyboard workstation? Maybe you're an artist who wants to fill out their productions or a MIDI composer ready to take your songs to the next level. Enter the Edirol Virtual Sound Canvas, modeled after the ubiquitous Roland synth of the same name. Get world-class GM/GS sounds, seamlessly integrated into your DXi-compatible Cakewalk program.
Highlights of the Virtual Sound Canvas. Almost 1000 sounds including percussion, acoustic, and electronic instruments. Each instance of VSC can support up to 16 different instruments simultaneously and 128 notes of polyphony.
Up to 16 instances of VSC per project. Add Reverb, Chorus, Delay and Time Variable Filters to each instrument. Easily process your MIDI tracks with DirectX effects and export tracks as audio without having to re-record If you already have Virtual Sound Canvas, read on to learn how to take advantage of all of its features. If you don't already have VSC, this tutorial should give you an idea of how VSC can help you get the most out of your music. DX Instruments DXi is the open standard for soft synth plug-ins, and it is based on Microsoft DirectX technology. DXi soft synths provide you with the lowest-latency, most responsive and reliable software synths available for Windows. In addition to the Virtual Sound Canvas, there are many additional synths available from leading manufacturers.
Getting Started Let's take a look at how to add a DXi to a Home Studio 2002 project (this also applies to other Cakewalk software with DXi-compatibility): Step 1: First, insert a blank audio track to your existing project. Do this by either Right-Clicking in the Track Properties pane and choosing Insert Audio Track or by selecting from the Insert Menu. Step 2: Resize the audio track vertically so that you can see the FX parameter. You do this by putting the mouse over the lower border of the track and then dragging while holding the left mouse button. Right-click in the FX bin and select DX Instruments EDIROL VSC.
Step 3: Now we'll assign the outputs of your MIDI tracks to the VSC. There are several ways to do this. You'll notice that you can now choose VSC as an output option for any of your MIDI tracks. You can also select all tracks ( Edit Select Select All) and then change them by going to Tracks Properties Outputs MIDI VSC DXi.
Virtual Sound Canvas DXI in use. Now that you've loaded up the VSC, let's take a closer look at how it integrates with Home Studio. As we mentioned before, VSC has almost 1000 different sounds in it. These are spread out over 11 sound banks and a dedicated drum bank. You'll be able to select all of these from the Bank selection box on each MIDI track. Now by selecting the Patch Box (PCH) You'll be able to access all of the patches in that Bank.
Edirol Virtual Sound Canvas Vsti V1.60
Don't forget to set each of your MIDI tracks to its own MIDI channel. If you ever need more than 16 instruments or 128 notes of Polyphony, simply create a new Audio Track and add another instance of VSC. You'll now see another VSC option listed on your MIDI Tracks Output with the appropriate port number in front of it. To lower the latency of your DXi's, (the delay between when you play a note and when you hear it), go to Options Audio General and lower your Playback Buffers. WDM drivers will always offer superior performance so be sure to check with you soundcard vendor to make sure that you have the latest driver.
Because DX Instruments are hosted by an audio track, you can process them with the same DirectX effects you would use on any audio material. Simply right-click in the FX Bin on the track that has the VSC patched and select an audio effect that you would like to use to process the VSC's output. In addition to the effects that ship with your Cakewalk program, there are lots of third-party plug-ins available, some are even offered for free.
Below you can see VSC being processed by the free Compressor 1.0 by Richie's Soundtoolz. Did you know that Virtual Sound Canvas also has its own built-in effects? Control Reverb and Chorus levels on a per-track basis right from the Track View. For this instance, you'll want to bring up the Chorus (CHR) and Reverb (Rev) levels on the idividual MIDI track that you want to affect.
When you're done, its easy to export your project right to.WAV format for burning a CD, or to MP3, Real Audio, or Windows Media format for internet delivery. What's great about this is that all of your MIDI tracks stay entirely in the digital domain, so there is no degradation of your audio fidelity. When you export the audio, all of your audio FX and instruments will automatically be mixed down.
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Simply go to File Export Audio. You'll see a screen like the following; enter a File Name, choose a Format, and hit Export. Virtually limitless Now that we've given you a glimpse of how useful the Virtual Sound Canvas can be (and in fact, all of your DXis), you should be all set to dive right in and try them yourself. Remember, Virtual Sound Canvas and DreamStation DXi come standard with Home Studio 2002, and Home Studio XL ups the ante with the addition of the DR-008 DXi.
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